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  Proof that the Governing Body is directed by God..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
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  ..is there any?

  bear in mind what jesus himself said: john 15:24 new international version (niv) 24 if i had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin.

  as it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my father..

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  The Quiet One

  Thank you to all. Here are my favourite comments that have been made: "I try to treat ladies as they should be,................... with extreme caution !"- wobble "It seems that one GOD (YHWH) speaks to all his representatives on earth and tells them different things. Oh, and YHWH is such a funny guy: he doesn't speak his mind at once, he recants, he re-establishes what he had removed before..."- dgp "However, the NT makes it clear that salvation is through Jesus alone and not an org so that itself blows that theory out of the water."- Timothy T
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  Australia Newspaper alerts: JWs likens "defectors to 'contagious deadly disease'

  by Gayle in

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  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/jehovas-witnesses-defectors-cop-a-blast/story-fn7x8me2-1226155212128.

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/214463/1/Are-you-an-apostate "Here is what the Insight book says on apostasy: This term in Greek ( a·po·sta·si′a ) comes from the verb a·phi′ste·mi, literally meaning “stand away from.” The noun has the sense of “ desertion, abandonment or rebellion .” (Ac 21:21, ftn) In classical Greek thenoun was used to refer to political defection, and the verb is evidently employed in this sense at Acts 5:37, concerning Judas the Galilean who “drew off” ( a·pe′ste·se, form of a·phi′ste·mi ) followers. The Greek Septuagint uses the term at Genesis 14:4 with reference to such a rebellion. However, in the Christian Greek Scriptures it is used primarily with regard to religious defection; a withdrawal or abandonment of the true cause, worship, and service of God , and hence an abandonment of what one has previously professed and a totaldesertion of principles or faith . The religious leaders of Jerusalem charged Paul with such an apostasy against the Mosaic Law. It may properly be said that God’s Adversary was the first apostate, as is indicated by the name Satan . He caused the first human pair to apostatize. (Ge 3:1-15; Joh 8:44) Following the Flood, there was a rebellion against the words of the God ofNoah. (Ge 11:1-9) Job later found it necessary to defend himself against the charge of apostasy on the part of his three supposed comforters. (Job 8:13; 15:34; 20:5) In his defense Job showed that God grants no audience to the apostate (Job 13:16), and he also showed the hopeless state of one cut off in apostasy. (Job 27:8; compare also Elihu’s statement at 34:30; 36:13.) In these cases the Hebrew noun cha·neph′ is used, meaning “[one] alienated from God ,” thatis, an apostate. The related verb cha·neph′ means “be inclined away from the right relation to God ,” or “pollute, lead to apostasy.”— Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, by L. Koehler and W. Baumgartner, Leiden, 1958, p. 317."
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  Proof that the Governing Body is directed by God..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..is there any?

  bear in mind what jesus himself said: john 15:24 new international version (niv) 24 if i had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin.

  as it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my father..

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  ..Is there any? Bear in mind what Jesus himself said: John 15:24 New International Version (NIV) 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.
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  Supreme Court to weigh Churches hiring rights

  by The Quiet One in

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  http://www.washingtonpost.com/on-faith/supreme-court-to-weigh-churches-hiring-rights/2011/09/29/giqahgzp7k_story.html.

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  http://www.washingtonpost.com/on-faith/supreme-court-to-weigh-churches-hiring-rights/2011/09/29/gIQAhGZP7K_story.html
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  Police inquiry over Jehovah's Witness magazine 'mentally diseased' article

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8791196/police-inquiry-over-jehovahs-witness-magazine-mentally-diseased-article.html.

  friday 30 september 2011. log in | register | subscribe.

  police inquiry over jehovah's witness magazine 'mentally diseased' articlean official magazine for jehovah's witnesses that described those who leave the church as "mentally diseased" is at the centre of a police inquiry, it has emerged.the watchtower is the official magazine of jehovah's witnesses photo: alamy9:58am bst 27 sep 2011. detectives are investigating whether the article, published in julys edition of the watchtower, is in breach of britains religious hatred laws.. the article, published in the magazine which is distributed by jehovah's witnesses across the globe, reportedly warned followers to avoid "false teachers" which it condemned as being "mentally diseased".. "suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease," part of the article stated.. "you would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning.

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  Well done! The news is spreading worldwide..
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  JWs continue to hold NGO Status within the COUNCIL OF EUROPE

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtbts and jehovah's witnesses continue to hold ngo status within the council of europe.

  documents recently declassified by the council of europe confirm that the european association of jehovah's witnesses continues to officially hold ngo status.. .

  the six page document dh-dd(2010)61, entitled "communication by an ngo in the case of 97 members of the gldani congregation of jehovah's witnesses and others against georgia (application no.

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  Thanks for all of your hard work. I'm unsure, though, is this really any more of a big deal than the Osce ngo affiliation? I'm half asleep, so I could be missing something.. :)
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  I just can't do this anymore

  by Awen in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  dear friends:.

  for years now after my exit from the wtbts i have searched for god.

  as i have previously mentioned in other threads i looked into many other religions, including druidry, zen and tibetan buddhism (not really a religion), asatru, native american shamanism, kemetic orthodoxy, gnosticism and pandeism.

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  Awen.. I have the greatest respect for you after reading this. The intellectual honesty and sincerity you have expressed here is both refreshing and moving, especially compared to the pitiful (I mean this in the sense of feeling sorry for, not being insulting) combination of arrogance and ignorance that many Jw's display, often without even realising it. If you want to see part of my experience of how I came to lose trust in the Bible and decided to be agnostic, just search 'Can the Bible be Proven wrong?' on here, probably not worth the time though. I look back on that now and see how desperate that I was to cling to a belief in the Bible's inerrancy, and how people on this board helped me to change my focus (Thanks to all involved!). Which is why I feel that, when you're at the point where you've just realised that you don't know what to believe.. you can be vulnerable. I nearly panicked and ran back to the mental safety of believing something without any evidence. All I'm saying is.. Take some time out, if you need to, but at least for now, IMO, I would stay away from both religion and 'zealous' people with strong opinions, theist or otherwise. Just get some breathing space and sort your emotions out first, in whatever way necessary. From my experience, it's very tempting to try to regain 'absolute certainty', to surrender your mind to being told what to believe by a person or a book that 'knows all'. Please be careful.. I'll leave you with my favourite quote of all time.. Socrates: "The beginning of wisdom is the admission of one's ignorance."
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  Jw comments on the Huffington Post

  by The Quiet One in

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  "anyone who actually knows the real reason for the personal visits to our neighbor's homes, knows it to be based on love.

  love in imitation of that which jesus had in his own ministry.

  the same one he taught his disciples to follow.

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  "Anyone who actually knows the real reason for the personal visits to our neighbor's homes, knows it to be based on LOVE. Love in imitation of that which Jesus had in his own ministry. The same one he taught his disciples to follow. Sure we face rejection, so did Jesus. But we don't take it personally (we could never do it if it was about us) we feel the Bible's message is urgent..ju­st like Jesus felt. Jesus faced persecutio­n on a level we never will. So slam themdoors, yell at the top of your lungs, let your dogs out, hang your threatenin­g signs, turn your spinklers on....etc. It's all good. But as we walk away, smiling & conversing ­, know this..WE LOVE YOU!" "By the way if you think that Jehovah's Witnesses made up the pagan beginnings of holidays such as Easter, Christmas, Halloween, and Valentine'­s Day try going on Wikipedia or look in an encycloped­ia and look under the history of these days and then tell me who is brainwashed or in a mind control cult. Your fellow christians did the research found in these articles not Jehovah's Witnesses so who is believing in a lie and teaching them to their children?" "At least we give you the opportunity to say you don't want to listen to what we have to say, but we are faced with having to accept how others want to live their lives everytime we go shopping and have to listed to holiday music or see the decorations, and shopping is something we have to do to survive yet you don't see us in the stores condeming these things because it your right to do these things no matter how we may personally feel about it." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/28/jehovahs-witness-magazine_n_985479.html
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  Both "Mentally Diseased" & Blood Transfusion DF/DA Violate UN Charter

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the united nations charter is for all un countries to follow, to its best ability.. the united nations is for the right to change one's religion, without coercion.

  it applies to both countries who thwart changing religions directly, but also holds governments responsible if it allow private actors to coerce people from changing one's religion.

  coercion is thought of broadly, and goes beyond mere physical force.

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  Well, I've emailed the Osce. Probably won't lead to anything, though. Is anybody else thinking of emailing them, or am I just crazy?
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  AWESOME coincidence today in college!

  by TimothyT in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last week was my first week in college on my new counselling course.

  last year i decided i wanted to join a course which would help me to understand my own sufferings and try to help others to do the same.

  we introduced ourselves to our class mates and i made it very clear to them all that i am gay and i was kicked out of the jehovahs witnesses and now im much happier.

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  The Quiet One

  Thanks for sharing that, you've clearly always been a polite and likeable person, despite the guilt trips put on you by the Wtbts. Sounds like a coincidence worthy of the Yearbook..